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Actors and TV Presenters Maggie and Marie Cornwell are both fourteen and in Year 10 at school. Their most recent acting roles are Anna and Bella in the short film, ‘Court Number 5,’ by their award-winning film director-father, Mickey Cornwell. Our interview takes place over zoom with a Christmas tree in the background that has a gigantic pile of presents underneath. The girls are in high spirits because theyโve just been to a West Ham vs. Tottenham match that West Ham won; Mickey Cornwellโs position as Vice President of West Ham Womenโs Football Club is a cherished part of the family and a principal theme in his work as a writer and director. It was even how his first short film ‘Pretty Little Bubbles’ came about, as youโll find out in this interview with the three Cornwells.

Hi Marie and Maggie, what are you studying at school?
Marie: I took Drama, Music, Film Studies and History.
Maggie: I took the same but instead of Drama, I do Art.
Have either of you had any formal acting training outside school?
Marie: We go to Pauline Quirke Academy. Weโve been there for six years, and weโve just started out at Italia Conti Associates.
Do you have any other siblings?
Marie: Yeah loads. Thereโs seven of us. Iโm the second to youngest.
How do you two get on in real life?
Maggie: Weโre actually really close.
How similar are you guys to Anna and Bella?
Maggie: I would say in some points Iโm similar to Anna, but not really.
Marie: Yeah, with Bella, Iโm quite the opposite actually, because she keeps to herself, and I love talking about myself!

Were the characters based on you?
Maggie: I donโt think so.
When did you first become interested in acting?
Maggie: About six years ago is when we started PQA (Pauline Quirke Academy).
Mickey: The first time they became interested in acting was when they came downstairs one day when they were about four or five years old, and they said we wanna do a show!
So, you started doing things in the kitchen at home for your parents?
Maggie: Yeah, we used to make up dances. I used to go gymnastics, so I was always doing that.
I donโt know if you can answer this well because heโs right behind you, but whatโs it like working with your Dad and having him as your boss?
Maggie: Itโs not that bad. There were a lot of sausage rolls on set and if we wanted more food, we could just ask, so it was pretty good actually!
Marie: They were so good!
How many days filming did you guys do?
Marie: Three.
Do you guys know where the script idea came from?
It was during lockdown, and we were on a walk and our dad came up with it. That’s the story.
Were you guys involved in the making of the storyline?
Maggie: We changed some of our own lines, but every actor does that a bit.
How did you manage to play these characters so well with it being such a delicate topic? Do you have friends or anything that had been through that?
Marie: Yes, and you see a lot of it on TV anyway, so you kind of get different sources and a lot of other peopleโs point of views on how to play that character.
Do you get nervous at all?
Maggie: I used to get very nervous. When you first get into the environment you feel comfortable, so there was no need to be nervous because everyoneโs doing the same thing.
What it was like working with Jaime and Mark?
Marie: There were hilarious!
Maggie: They were lovely!
Marie: The whole cast were great to be around. It was a lot of fun.
Hi Mickey, can you expand on how the idea come about?
Mickey: We were playing with a few ideas for what film I wanted to do as my next film, and anything drama-wise the twins are going to be involved. The whole reason Iโm doing this is for their careers โ Iโve got a career anyway, so itโs always been more for them. Where Iโd won awards in Italy for ‘Pretty Little Bubbles’, I think I wanted to involve the Italian side of things because I know they loved it over there. It was a shame that with ‘Court Number Five’ there were five Italian Festivals that I couldnโt attend because of Covid-19. With ‘Pretty Little Bubbles’ I was over there and enjoying it.

Which festivals have you been to?
Mickey: Iโve been abroad loads โ Iโve been to Italy twice. My first film โPretty Little Bubblesโ, won about 35 awards worldwide and that was the first thing Iโd ever done in film. The crew I used were wedding videographers. Now Iโve been to film school and learnt the trade, I see the mistake that they made. I canโt believe how well it did considering how it was made! But I cast it well and Lee Wakefield, a friend of mine, was really good in it.
What was the casting process like for ‘Court Number 5’?
Mickey: Jaime (Winstone) is a big West Ham fan and weโd done a documentary for the BBC called ‘Britainโs Youngest Football Boss’, that she narrated. Her Dad, Ray, is a big West Ham fan so heโs always at the stadium. Then Mac Bannerman is another friend โ in London we all know each other and if I donโt know them, Iโll know someone who does! When I wrote the script, I actually wrote it for Marc Bannerman and had him in mind from the beginning. But for however long Iโve known him, I didnโt know heโs not Italian โ heโs actually of Irish descent! Heโs got nothing to do with Italy at all โ so all those years playing an Italian on EastEnders – he isnโt even Italian โ canโt speak a word of it!

Iโd known Munir, who played the lawyer, since I was 15 – he went to school with one of my uncles. Louisa Johnsonโs dad is in it โ heโs the disgruntled guy in the court room. Natalie, the lady who plays the court usher, is one of the girlsโ drama coaches โ sheโs a freelance drama instructor and sheโs really good. Sheโs been in ‘Pride and Prejudice’, and her husbandโs also a big-time actor, heโs in the crowd. Theyโre all industry people. I’m a new director in this game, so youโve got to use people who are known throughout; you’ve got to use industry people. Iโve just finished a true-crime documentary, and all my crew are industry people. My editor works for ‘Panorama’, heโs done tonnes and tonnes of documentaries โ I think heโs got 80 credits to his name.
How about Sophia Leonie (social worker)?
Mickey: The only person I cast off mandy.com is Sophia. Samira from ‘Love Island’ was cast to play the social worker, but I had a message from Samiraโs agent at 9 oโclock one morning (so itโs obviously in the top of the list of her things to do) saying Samira canโt do the shoot now – sheโs working on something else, but what happened was โฆ I had Jaime down to play the Mum, but I didnโt hear from her for a couple of weeks, so I thought she didnโt want it. I then cast Katie Jarvis from EastEnders… A couple of weeks passed, and then my mate messaged me at one oโclock in the morning saying, have you seen the news? The ‘Daily Mail’ had this whole story about Katie Jarvis being arrested for being drunk and racially abusive, and her kids with her at the time. It was the worst story that could ever happen, right? I had my head in my hands thinking, what do I do?
So, you had to let her down?
Mickey: Yes, not even gently, you canโt be acting like thatโฆ The twins are mixed heritage โ their Mum is mixed race. Iโm half Scottish! Anyway, I phoned Jaime back and said this is whatโs happened, please can you come on board. She said she wanted to do it from the start. Luckily, she wasnโt booked for anything else and she was well happy to do it!

In the future are you more interested in television or film?
Mickey: Iโm building a big production company. Iโm going to go across the board really. The twins want do theatre as well, so I might chuck my hat in the ring to do theatre production. With the true crime documentary, because Iโm from East London, itโs the people I know, so itโs an easy job.
Is the premise quite top secret, or can you give any hints at what itโs going to involve?
Mickey: I canโt go into it too much at the moment, but Marcel, who did the soundtrack for ‘Court Number 5’ has scored my true crime documentary as well. He was a finalist on Love Island, and he was in the rap group called ‘Blazinโ Squad’. Heโs one of my best friends from since we were young.
How did you get into film?
Mickey: Mum and Dad were both stage actors, so I grew up backstage and I hated it! Then once the girls got interested in it, when they went going to Pauline Quirkeโs, I started getting a bit of a buzz for it. I was going to do an advert for West Ham, which the twins could be in and get a credit. I started writing the advert, but the ending really hit me in the stomach when I wrote it. I thought, this could be a lot bigger than what I intended it to be. And it was, it really blew up.
When we were filming, I knew the guys were making mistakes, but I couldnโt back myself up by saying, “listen, youโre doing that wrong, can we do it like this?”, because I hadnโt done the film school thing. Thatโs what was holding me back โ I think โPretty Little Bubblesโ could have been even bigger than it actually was. Itโs a shame that the twins have grown up now because I couldโve done a remake! The script was so strong.
From there I took myself to Central Film School on Brick Lane and did a six-month intensive course โ basically two years in six months โ ‘Court Number 5’ was the final piece. I wrote the script for that and thought, you know what, this is good, so I got better actors and a better crew involved. As for the editor, the way I got him, I said look Andy, as soon as Iโve finished shooting this, Iโm straight on the road doing this true crime documentary. That was a bit more up his street. I told him itโs going to be a series, and these are the actors Iโve got, but youโve got to do this short film first, and we got him! Heโs a big fish! He literally knows everyone in the industry. Having him has opened up so many other doors.
The biggest thing in the industry is it comes down to who you know, youโve just got to network and make contacts. But what Iโve found is that everyone wants to help each other.
‘COURT NUMBER 5’ screens at Whirled Cinema on Saturday 6th November, 4.30 – 7.30 pm



















































